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	<title>Comments on: Article: The Truth about Download Time</title>
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		<title>By: Website download snelheid is niet zo belangrijk &#183; Usarchy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Website download snelheid is niet zo belangrijk &#183; Usarchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8230;users are more interested in achieving their goals than having speedy page loadsZo, een &#8220;bold statement&#8221; als kop, dat werkt vast goed&#8230; Jared Spool schrijft misschien ten overvloede nog maar eens over de download snelheid van websites en de invloed op de gebruiksvriendelijkheid. Die invloed is er wel degelijk, maar is niet zo groot als je soms zou vermoeden. Het is echter wel een onderwerp waar gebruikers over klagen. En omdat we (hopelijk) hebben geleerd naar onze gebruikers te luisteren, wordt die download snelheid als belangrijk op te lossen probleem gezien. Jared quote hierbij een artikel uit 2001: The Truth About Download Time. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8230;users are more interested in achieving their goals than having speedy page loadsZo, een &#8220;bold statement&#8221; als kop, dat werkt vast goed&#8230; Jared Spool schrijft misschien ten overvloede nog maar eens over de download snelheid van websites en de invloed op de gebruiksvriendelijkheid. Die invloed is er wel degelijk, maar is niet zo groot als je soms zou vermoeden. Het is echter wel een onderwerp waar gebruikers over klagen. En omdat we (hopelijk) hebben geleerd naar onze gebruikers te luisteren, wordt die download snelheid als belangrijk op te lossen probleem gezien. Jared quote hierbij een artikel uit 2001: The Truth About Download Time. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Enric Naval</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enric Naval</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the first two posts.  Getting the client to describe the problem that has to be solved is better. 

Once the problem has been described, I can propose an array of possible solutions, describe the advantages of each one and how they address the problem, and let the client elect and make proposals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the first two posts.  Getting the client to describe the problem that has to be solved is better. </p>
<p>Once the problem has been described, I can propose an array of possible solutions, describe the advantages of each one and how they address the problem, and let the client elect and make proposals.</p>
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		<title>By: Rainer Schubert</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/02/14/uietips-06-02-14/comment-page-1/#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Schubert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared, thanks for adding this interesting piece of information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared, thanks for adding this interesting piece of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Spool</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/02/14/uietips-06-02-14/comment-page-1/#comment-1451</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Spool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 12:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rainer:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Did you measure the time until the whole page was downloaded or did you measure the time until a relevant part of the page was displayed (while the rest of the site was still loading)?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excellent question.

We measured both. For example, Amazon (one of the fastest rated sites in the study) took, on average, 36 seconds to load entirely, but after 11 seconds there was enough useful stuff on the screen for the user to work with.

However, About.com, (one of the slowest rated sites) still loaded &lt;em&gt;in it&#039;s entirety&lt;/em&gt; in an average of 8 seconds.

So, even looking at partially loaded page times, there still is no correlation between actual download time and perceived download time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rainer:</p>
<blockquote><p>Did you measure the time until the whole page was downloaded or did you measure the time until a relevant part of the page was displayed (while the rest of the site was still loading)?</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent question.</p>
<p>We measured both. For example, Amazon (one of the fastest rated sites in the study) took, on average, 36 seconds to load entirely, but after 11 seconds there was enough useful stuff on the screen for the user to work with.</p>
<p>However, About.com, (one of the slowest rated sites) still loaded <em>in it&#8217;s entirety</em> in an average of 8 seconds.</p>
<p>So, even looking at partially loaded page times, there still is no correlation between actual download time and perceived download time.</p>
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		<title>By: Rainer Schubert</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/02/14/uietips-06-02-14/comment-page-1/#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainer Schubert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, of course, that a badly designed site does not get better if you speed up download times. And I agree, that it is far more important to address a user&#039;s goal than to have the fastest-downloading site in world. But the article does not say anything about how download times were measured. Did you measure the time until the whole page was downloaded or did you measure the time until a relevant part of the page was displayed (while the rest of the site was still loading)? My experience with testing slow bandwidth connections is that many (well-done) sites display relevant information very quickly even if the whole page-download may last 30 or 40 seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, of course, that a badly designed site does not get better if you speed up download times. And I agree, that it is far more important to address a user&#8217;s goal than to have the fastest-downloading site in world. But the article does not say anything about how download times were measured. Did you measure the time until the whole page was downloaded or did you measure the time until a relevant part of the page was displayed (while the rest of the site was still loading)? My experience with testing slow bandwidth connections is that many (well-done) sites display relevant information very quickly even if the whole page-download may last 30 or 40 seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Spool</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/02/14/uietips-06-02-14/comment-page-1/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Spool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Wells: Subsequent studies where we&#039;ve allowed users to choose to abandon the site have shown that &lt;em&gt;perceived page-load times&lt;/em&gt; still show no correlation with &lt;em&gt;actual page-load times&lt;/em&gt;. 

In those studies, we saw a repeat of the same results: users only became impatient with the download time (which was often quite quick) when they felt they weren&#039;t making progress. Often this was due to other usability issues with the site.

When the site design was effective, the actual page-load times (which were often quite slow) didn&#039;t seem to play into user&#039;s perceptions.

I&#039;m not so quick to throw out these results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Wells: Subsequent studies where we&#8217;ve allowed users to choose to abandon the site have shown that <em>perceived page-load times</em> still show no correlation with <em>actual page-load times</em>. </p>
<p>In those studies, we saw a repeat of the same results: users only became impatient with the download time (which was often quite quick) when they felt they weren&#8217;t making progress. Often this was due to other usability issues with the site.</p>
<p>When the site design was effective, the actual page-load times (which were often quite slow) didn&#8217;t seem to play into user&#8217;s perceptions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so quick to throw out these results.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just read &quot;The Secrets of Consulting&quot; and something that actually really helped with my current job was a comment about how users phrase problems. That is, usually without implicating themselves as the root cause. If you extrapolate that to completing a task on a website, blaming the page download speed rather than their ability to complete the task (not their fault - but that&#039;s not what most people think) fits rather nicely together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just read &#8220;The Secrets of Consulting&#8221; and something that actually really helped with my current job was a comment about how users phrase problems. That is, usually without implicating themselves as the root cause. If you extrapolate that to completing a task on a website, blaming the page download speed rather than their ability to complete the task (not their fault &#8211; but that&#8217;s not what most people think) fits rather nicely together.</p>
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		<title>By: John Wells</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/02/14/uietips-06-02-14/comment-page-1/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>John Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study is flawed. The testers were required to perform tasks on the sites, so they had to wait for the sites to load. In the real world, users abandon slow-loading sites without visiting unless they are absolutely sure they can&#039;t find what they need elsewhere. Too ignore download time is throwing away potential visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study is flawed. The testers were required to perform tasks on the sites, so they had to wait for the sites to load. In the real world, users abandon slow-loading sites without visiting unless they are absolutely sure they can&#8217;t find what they need elsewhere. Too ignore download time is throwing away potential visitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear! My experiences and conclusions have been spot on with Jen Kramer&#039;s. Many times clients offer solutions as a way of pointing out problems. But the right solution usually not the offered solution (though every once in a while it is).

Once a client suggested that searches should return similar matches as well as exact matches. The following week, he suggested that searches should only return exact matches, seemingly unaware of the contradiction. After a little thought and conversation, I realized that there was no contradiction. The client didn&#039;t want to make multiple searches for similar terms, but also didn&#039;t want to wade through near matches when he did know the exact term. The solution was to return near matches, but to order results so that exact matches appeared first and were visually separate from near matches.

Often, the *right* solution may not be immediately obvious. In that case, it is not possible to have a mutually respectful conversation AT THAT TIME. It is best to put off the conversation until you do have a workable solution.  In that case I find it is best to voice my concerns about the proposed solution and offer to get to work. Then when I have a better solution, get back to the client with that and explain how it avoids the problems of the original while fixing what needs to be fixed. The carpenter&#039;s adage &quot;Think thrice, measure twice, cut once&quot; is applicable in more fields than wood working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear! My experiences and conclusions have been spot on with Jen Kramer&#8217;s. Many times clients offer solutions as a way of pointing out problems. But the right solution usually not the offered solution (though every once in a while it is).</p>
<p>Once a client suggested that searches should return similar matches as well as exact matches. The following week, he suggested that searches should only return exact matches, seemingly unaware of the contradiction. After a little thought and conversation, I realized that there was no contradiction. The client didn&#8217;t want to make multiple searches for similar terms, but also didn&#8217;t want to wade through near matches when he did know the exact term. The solution was to return near matches, but to order results so that exact matches appeared first and were visually separate from near matches.</p>
<p>Often, the *right* solution may not be immediately obvious. In that case, it is not possible to have a mutually respectful conversation AT THAT TIME. It is best to put off the conversation until you do have a workable solution.  In that case I find it is best to voice my concerns about the proposed solution and offer to get to work. Then when I have a better solution, get back to the client with that and explain how it avoids the problems of the original while fixing what needs to be fixed. The carpenter&#8217;s adage &#8220;Think thrice, measure twice, cut once&#8221; is applicable in more fields than wood working.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Kramer</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/02/14/uietips-06-02-14/comment-page-1/#comment-1438</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found that the best response to a client telling me that the website should include x or that y needs the following improvement is to ask a simple question:  What is the problem you are trying to solve?  And how did you determine that x or y is a problem?

Frequently clients base their sudden need for changing something or adding something to their site based on a single email&#039;s feedback, or a comment from a friend or colleague, or something they read in the paper that morning.  Their complaint may or may not be truly problematic and may or may not need addressing.  Also, when the complaint is real and legitimate, clients don&#039;t often have a good technological grasp of what needs to be done to suggest a good solution.  (After all, if they did, why would they need to hire us to do it?)

If the conversation happens in a mutually respectful way, the client is often open to a different solution to the problem than the one they originally suggest.  After all, they really just want the problem to go away, and they aren&#039;t usually so attached to their own solution that it must be implemented exactly as they want... provided they understand the reasoning behind the alternative solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found that the best response to a client telling me that the website should include x or that y needs the following improvement is to ask a simple question:  What is the problem you are trying to solve?  And how did you determine that x or y is a problem?</p>
<p>Frequently clients base their sudden need for changing something or adding something to their site based on a single email&#8217;s feedback, or a comment from a friend or colleague, or something they read in the paper that morning.  Their complaint may or may not be truly problematic and may or may not need addressing.  Also, when the complaint is real and legitimate, clients don&#8217;t often have a good technological grasp of what needs to be done to suggest a good solution.  (After all, if they did, why would they need to hire us to do it?)</p>
<p>If the conversation happens in a mutually respectful way, the client is often open to a different solution to the problem than the one they originally suggest.  After all, they really just want the problem to go away, and they aren&#8217;t usually so attached to their own solution that it must be implemented exactly as they want&#8230; provided they understand the reasoning behind the alternative solution.</p>
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