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		<title>By: betopan</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-143652</link>
		<dc:creator>betopan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t know if they did, but adding title attributes would have helped some.</description>
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		<title>By: turksiding</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-143651</link>
		<dc:creator>turksiding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>teşekürler.</description>
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		<title>By: fibercement</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-143650</link>
		<dc:creator>fibercement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank a lot.</description>
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		<title>By: dış cephe</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-143334</link>
		<dc:creator>dış cephe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometime do include a horizontal menu with only a few (3-5 items) that are very broad.thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometime do include a horizontal menu with only a few (3-5 items) that are very broad.thanks</p>
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		<title>By: hekimboard</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-141825</link>
		<dc:creator>hekimboard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about having the menu to the right side?</description>
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		<title>By: Anthony Ettinger</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-139417</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Ettinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely a trade-off with switching between the two...benefits too though. Making the story the focus, instead of the leftnav was worth it, even if the link labels had to be shortened.

Specials vs. Special Reports though....man, I thought that was going to be a link to buy a CNN t-shirt or coffee mug.

I don't know if they did, but adding title attributes would have helped some.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely a trade-off with switching between the two&#8230;benefits too though. Making the story the focus, instead of the leftnav was worth it, even if the link labels had to be shortened.</p>
<p>Specials vs. Special Reports though&#8230;.man, I thought that was going to be a link to buy a CNN t-shirt or coffee mug.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if they did, but adding title attributes would have helped some.</p>
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		<title>By: hekim group</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-138766</link>
		<dc:creator>hekim group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 11:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometime do include a horizontal menu with only a few (3-5 items) that are very broad. I also put some content area that are about the same 3-5 items that are in the horizontal menu. Once the user arrives at an internal page, I have the horizontal menu show which item the user is in and I also put a “secondary” menu on the right side.

What do you think about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometime do include a horizontal menu with only a few (3-5 items) that are very broad. I also put some content area that are about the same 3-5 items that are in the horizontal menu. Once the user arrives at an internal page, I have the horizontal menu show which item the user is in and I also put a “secondary” menu on the right side.</p>
<p>What do you think about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Hank H.</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-87172</link>
		<dc:creator>Hank H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per Martin B.'s comment: Years ago I joined a firm with a site that had categories on the left and subcategories on the right. That is, you'd select "rugs" in the left and it would be highlighted, and then types of rugs would appear in the right column.

Lots of times people never even noticed the right column. We even tried tricks like promulgating a light yellow background in the right column if there were navigational elements in it, in the hopes of getting people to notice it. Didn't work.

(Boy, I'd loved to have had eye tracking technology back then!) 

Seems like we were working against the expectations of users, of course, who expected major navigation elements to be on the top or left and "soft" items to be in the right. So all in all, I'd shy away from navigational elements on the right, especially those that are coupled to navigational elements on the left. You also get into accessibility issues with screen magnifiers, tab orders and the like.

So that's my 2 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per Martin B.&#8217;s comment: Years ago I joined a firm with a site that had categories on the left and subcategories on the right. That is, you&#8217;d select &#8220;rugs&#8221; in the left and it would be highlighted, and then types of rugs would appear in the right column.</p>
<p>Lots of times people never even noticed the right column. We even tried tricks like promulgating a light yellow background in the right column if there were navigational elements in it, in the hopes of getting people to notice it. Didn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>(Boy, I&#8217;d loved to have had eye tracking technology back then!) </p>
<p>Seems like we were working against the expectations of users, of course, who expected major navigation elements to be on the top or left and &#8220;soft&#8221; items to be in the right. So all in all, I&#8217;d shy away from navigational elements on the right, especially those that are coupled to navigational elements on the left. You also get into accessibility issues with screen magnifiers, tab orders and the like.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin B.</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-87037</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seems to say that left vertical menu (like internal pages of cnn) is not the best since it puts the real content away. What about having the menu to the right side?

I sometime do include a horizontal menu with only a few (3-5 items) that are very broad. I also put some content area that are about the same 3-5 items that are in the horizontal menu. Once the user arrives at an internal page, I have the horizontal menu show which item the user is in and I also put a "secondary" menu on the right side.

What do you think about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seems to say that left vertical menu (like internal pages of cnn) is not the best since it puts the real content away. What about having the menu to the right side?</p>
<p>I sometime do include a horizontal menu with only a few (3-5 items) that are very broad. I also put some content area that are about the same 3-5 items that are in the horizontal menu. Once the user arrives at an internal page, I have the horizontal menu show which item the user is in and I also put a &#8220;secondary&#8221; menu on the right side.</p>
<p>What do you think about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea Wieland</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-86254</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea Wieland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent blog posting at: http://www.journerdism.com/index.php/2007/08/19/four-trends-in-newspaper-website-navigation-design/  provides a commented overview of how horizontal nav bars are evolving on newspaper Web sites.  But, every method tried still has limits and problems.

We all need to decide on site navigation methods/techniques for the sites we design and maintain.  So, how do we determine the "current best practices" for site navigation?  Eventually, repeat visitors figure out the navigation logic used on the levels within a site.  This is immediately apparent when we change that logic.  

Is it possible to have "current best practices" for site navigation?  Does that also depend on the type of site (i.e., newspaper, large government, retail, etc.)?

Thanks for any feedback on this question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent blog posting at: <a href="http://www.journerdism.com/index.php/2007/08/19/four-trends-in-newspaper-website-navigation-design/" rel="nofollow">http://www.journerdism.com/index.php/2007/08/19/four-trends-in-newspaper-website-navigation-design/</a>  provides a commented overview of how horizontal nav bars are evolving on newspaper Web sites.  But, every method tried still has limits and problems.</p>
<p>We all need to decide on site navigation methods/techniques for the sites we design and maintain.  So, how do we determine the &#8220;current best practices&#8221; for site navigation?  Eventually, repeat visitors figure out the navigation logic used on the levels within a site.  This is immediately apparent when we change that logic.  </p>
<p>Is it possible to have &#8220;current best practices&#8221; for site navigation?  Does that also depend on the type of site (i.e., newspaper, large government, retail, etc.)?</p>
<p>Thanks for any feedback on this question.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2006-09-01 &#171; I do</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-23144</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2006-09-01 &#171; I do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 06:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Lowe</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-7082</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm working with a team on a redesign right now of the prospective undergraduate section on a university site, and a key change has been moving from a left-hand nav to horizontal. Similar to CNN, we had to make some choices and select only a few of the existing links. In our case this was actually a good thing, as the existing nav isn't representative of merely main sections but also includes action links like 'Apply' and some links to lower-tier content too. It was a good opportunity to really evaluate the site structure. We trimmed 12 links down to 6.

We've identified two significant challenges in addition to the ones mentioned in the article. First, how does the navigation respond when the user increases the text size? Second, where does the secondary navigation belong?

To address the first, we're probably going to go with an em-based layout so that the nav container grows along with the text size, ensuring the links don't force a line-break or push a choice off the screen entirely. For the second issue, we decided that it's important that users be able to quickly access secondary pages from anywhere on the site, so a drop-down menu of links will appear on hover/activation. We're still trying to decide whether that second list should be vertically- or horizontally-oriented. And of course we need that secondary nav to be displayed on section pages. A right-hand column will be used for that, letting us use much longer link titles than the horizontal nav will allow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m working with a team on a redesign right now of the prospective undergraduate section on a university site, and a key change has been moving from a left-hand nav to horizontal. Similar to CNN, we had to make some choices and select only a few of the existing links. In our case this was actually a good thing, as the existing nav isn&#8217;t representative of merely main sections but also includes action links like &#8216;Apply&#8217; and some links to lower-tier content too. It was a good opportunity to really evaluate the site structure. We trimmed 12 links down to 6.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve identified two significant challenges in addition to the ones mentioned in the article. First, how does the navigation respond when the user increases the text size? Second, where does the secondary navigation belong?</p>
<p>To address the first, we&#8217;re probably going to go with an em-based layout so that the nav container grows along with the text size, ensuring the links don&#8217;t force a line-break or push a choice off the screen entirely. For the second issue, we decided that it&#8217;s important that users be able to quickly access secondary pages from anywhere on the site, so a drop-down menu of links will appear on hover/activation. We&#8217;re still trying to decide whether that second list should be vertically- or horizontally-oriented. And of course we need that secondary nav to be displayed on section pages. A right-hand column will be used for that, letting us use much longer link titles than the horizontal nav will allow.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-6680</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great question, Ashley. One option, of course, would be to get rid of the dropdown altogether. CNN allows multiple access to points on the site  from all pages, and so you wouldn't be losing too much there. 

More specifically, this issue digs at the notion that a certain subset of options needs to be in the navigation bar to begin with. This would be a good idea, if the navigation bar was the primary means of getting to content. This would be a bad idea if designers tried to put everything in the navigation bar...remember the two-level Amazon navigation bars of years ago? Those didn't last long. 

So the real question, I think, is this: what purpose does the navigation bar serve? Our research has suggested that navigation bars are actually support systems for sites and not the primary way people get to content. The primary way is to look in the body of whatever page they're on. Failing that, users fall back onto navigation bars and search to help them out. This suggests that navigation bars tend to be a less optimal solution than their name suggests. 

So to that end I would suggest exploring putting section-specific content somewhere on the page, perhaps in a sidebar on the right of the page(for example). This way, the designers could even include story headers in addition to the section name, very much like what they do at the bottom of pages now. ( http://www.cnn.com/TECH/ ). However, the problem with putting it at the bottom of pages like in this example is that there is a tremendous amount of non-content between the story blurb and the section-navigation. Whitespace and ads take up several hundred pixels of room that probably won't induce people to scroll...users need a reason to scroll! Making a smoother transition through this area on the page might help that happen more easily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great question, Ashley. One option, of course, would be to get rid of the dropdown altogether. CNN allows multiple access to points on the site  from all pages, and so you wouldn&#8217;t be losing too much there. </p>
<p>More specifically, this issue digs at the notion that a certain subset of options needs to be in the navigation bar to begin with. This would be a good idea, if the navigation bar was the primary means of getting to content. This would be a bad idea if designers tried to put everything in the navigation bar&#8230;remember the two-level Amazon navigation bars of years ago? Those didn&#8217;t last long. </p>
<p>So the real question, I think, is this: what purpose does the navigation bar serve? Our research has suggested that navigation bars are actually support systems for sites and not the primary way people get to content. The primary way is to look in the body of whatever page they&#8217;re on. Failing that, users fall back onto navigation bars and search to help them out. This suggests that navigation bars tend to be a less optimal solution than their name suggests. </p>
<p>So to that end I would suggest exploring putting section-specific content somewhere on the page, perhaps in a sidebar on the right of the page(for example). This way, the designers could even include story headers in addition to the section name, very much like what they do at the bottom of pages now. ( <a href="http://www.cnn.com/TECH/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/TECH/</a> ). However, the problem with putting it at the bottom of pages like in this example is that there is a tremendous amount of non-content between the story blurb and the section-navigation. Whitespace and ads take up several hundred pixels of room that probably won&#8217;t induce people to scroll&#8230;users need a reason to scroll! Making a smoother transition through this area on the page might help that happen more easily.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Gardiner</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-6642</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Gardiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to making the change to a horizontal navigation, CNN made the jump from a lowest common denominator resolution of 800x600 to 1024x768.

I would be very interested in learning about the research that went into this decision (both visitor metrics and usability findings). 

Did the visitor metrics show that only a very small percentage of users visiting CNN have their resolutions set to 800x600, justifying the leap to 1024x768? 

The advertisers must have been consulted, since any users visiting CNN at a resolution of 800x600 no longer see the advertisements in the right pane.

Were the old and new versions usability tested and the results compared? If so, what were the findings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to making the change to a horizontal navigation, CNN made the jump from a lowest common denominator resolution of 800&#215;600 to 1024&#215;768.</p>
<p>I would be very interested in learning about the research that went into this decision (both visitor metrics and usability findings). </p>
<p>Did the visitor metrics show that only a very small percentage of users visiting CNN have their resolutions set to 800&#215;600, justifying the leap to 1024&#215;768? </p>
<p>The advertisers must have been consulted, since any users visiting CNN at a resolution of 800&#215;600 no longer see the advertisements in the right pane.</p>
<p>Were the old and new versions usability tested and the results compared? If so, what were the findings?</p>
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		<title>By: Ashley Gadd</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2006/04/26/horizontal-navigation/#comment-6628</link>
		<dc:creator>Ashley Gadd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You suggest that horizontal nav is a good way to force a site to focus on their core content.  CNN decided to use a combo to hold the lower-priority stuff rather than refocus their site.  Presumably as a news provider they can't just drop sections from the paper -- certain people come to expect "Science &#38; Tech" and will take the effort to search for it.  How would you recommend CNN refocus so that they don't have to use the combo?  Is there a better way to implement horizontal navigation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You suggest that horizontal nav is a good way to force a site to focus on their core content.  CNN decided to use a combo to hold the lower-priority stuff rather than refocus their site.  Presumably as a news provider they can&#8217;t just drop sections from the paper &#8212; certain people come to expect &#8220;Science &amp; Tech&#8221; and will take the effort to search for it.  How would you recommend CNN refocus so that they don&#8217;t have to use the combo?  Is there a better way to implement horizontal navigation?</p>
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