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	<title>Comments on: Personas vs. User Descriptions; Apples vs. Tomatoes</title>
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		<title>By: Personas: Gode råd &#38; meninger &#187; More discussions on personas have been published recently</title>
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		<dc:creator>Personas: Gode råd &#38; meninger &#187; More discussions on personas have been published recently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Personas vs. User Descriptions; Apples vs. Tomatoes  Jared Spool [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher Fahey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Fahey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about, then, &quot;Hypothetical Personas&quot;?

Putting on my salesperson hat, I can say that such a name would be a great tool for &lt;i&gt;upselling&lt;/i&gt; the subseqent &quot;validation&quot; work, if only to remove that nagging &quot;Hypothetical&quot; from the documents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about, then, &#8220;Hypothetical Personas&#8221;?</p>
<p>Putting on my salesperson hat, I can say that such a name would be a great tool for <i>upselling</i> the subseqent &#8220;validation&#8221; work, if only to remove that nagging &#8220;Hypothetical&#8221; from the documents.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Brignull</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Brignull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the distinction that Jared is making, and everything else he&#039;s saying here, but I&#039;m not so sold on the terminology. &quot;User descriptions&quot; - the term doesn&#039;t explicitly say &quot;The kind that&#039;s based on assumption, not research&quot;. 

&quot;Assumption Persona&quot; seems to hit the nail on the head. (Good point David).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the distinction that Jared is making, and everything else he&#8217;s saying here, but I&#8217;m not so sold on the terminology. &#8220;User descriptions&#8221; &#8211; the term doesn&#8217;t explicitly say &#8220;The kind that&#8217;s based on assumption, not research&#8221;. </p>
<p>&#8220;Assumption Persona&#8221; seems to hit the nail on the head. (Good point David).</p>
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		<title>By: Zef</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jared - you&#039;ve made some good points - this is something I&#039;ve been acutely aware of as well...

Our user research process at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.provoke.co.nz&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Provoke&lt;/a&gt; starts by creating a &lt;b&gt;&#039;persona hypothesis&#039;&lt;/b&gt;  - this is usually done in a workshop with the client, and where possible we involve people who have had actual contact with users. This would be your equivalent of a &#039;user description&#039;. For about 50% of projects this is all we have time/budget for, but I still think this is better than having no idea of the users.

If time/budget allows the next stage is to go out and &lt;b&gt;validate the hypothesis&lt;/b&gt; with quantitative (stats analysis/surveys) and qualitative research (interviews/observations). We then update the persona and a lot more detail is added. Sometimes the process means we uncover whole new personas. Sometimes we discover people the client assumed were users (e.g. visitors to their website), are in fact not users at all! (they don&#039;t go there, or very rarely).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jared &#8211; you&#8217;ve made some good points &#8211; this is something I&#8217;ve been acutely aware of as well&#8230;</p>
<p>Our user research process at <a href="http://www.provoke.co.nz" rel="nofollow">Provoke</a> starts by creating a <b>&#8216;persona hypothesis&#8217;</b>  &#8211; this is usually done in a workshop with the client, and where possible we involve people who have had actual contact with users. This would be your equivalent of a &#8216;user description&#8217;. For about 50% of projects this is all we have time/budget for, but I still think this is better than having no idea of the users.</p>
<p>If time/budget allows the next stage is to go out and <b>validate the hypothesis</b> with quantitative (stats analysis/surveys) and qualitative research (interviews/observations). We then update the persona and a lot more detail is added. Sometimes the process means we uncover whole new personas. Sometimes we discover people the client assumed were users (e.g. visitors to their website), are in fact not users at all! (they don&#8217;t go there, or very rarely).</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-11-16 : Alistair Brown - Digital Media, Publishing, Newspapers Archive, Archives, Digitisation</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-11-16 : Alistair Brown - Digital Media, Publishing, Newspapers Archive, Archives, Digitisation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bryce Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryce Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Kieth as someone who believes in speaking with the voice of my customer I use whatever terms my clients feel comfortable with. Wireframes are sometime strawmen, User Roles are sometime Actors, and if I have a two hour meeting in project to create &quot;personas&quot; then that is what they get. 

I like the idea that sometimes personas are crappy and sometimes the project restrictions dictate that you can&#039;t do what you would normally do over coming up with new work products that is just confusing people outside our field. 

I worked on a project where after doing some field research with 10 people from 5 business units my client asked me to do a set of &quot;personas&quot; specifically around aspects of how people accessed information on their enterprise. Now I don&#039;t think these are personas but I do think that they were incredibly useful and I had less then an hour to create them for a presentation we were giving to the project stakeholders. These are research based &quot;personas&quot; that are crappy and useful :-)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/brycej/2035000246/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/brycej/2035000246/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Kieth as someone who believes in speaking with the voice of my customer I use whatever terms my clients feel comfortable with. Wireframes are sometime strawmen, User Roles are sometime Actors, and if I have a two hour meeting in project to create &#8220;personas&#8221; then that is what they get. </p>
<p>I like the idea that sometimes personas are crappy and sometimes the project restrictions dictate that you can&#8217;t do what you would normally do over coming up with new work products that is just confusing people outside our field. </p>
<p>I worked on a project where after doing some field research with 10 people from 5 business units my client asked me to do a set of &#8220;personas&#8221; specifically around aspects of how people accessed information on their enterprise. Now I don&#8217;t think these are personas but I do think that they were incredibly useful and I had less then an hour to create them for a presentation we were giving to the project stakeholders. These are research based &#8220;personas&#8221; that are crappy and useful <img src='http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/brycej/2035000246/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/brycej/2035000246/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Benjamin Ho - Are we all really that ridged in our thinking that we need to agree upon terms for this stuff?  I certainly don&#039;t think so.  I agree that we often spend way too much time haggling over this stuff, but to me the answer isn&#039;t to come up with common terms that everyone should use (which won&#039;t work anyway and is a waste of time.) No I look at the terms you&#039;ve listed above and feel like that with a small amount of clarification from the person using those terms I could easily suss out the differences in them if any.

My general rule is I use whatever terms my clients use.  And trust me, there are many times I initially have to have them explain what they&#039;re referring to as their terminology is often far different from my own.  I&#039;ve very rarely had problems with this, and it&#039;s because I simply choose not to get caught up in it.  Now, if someone doesn&#039;t have clients, they might have the luxury of nailing down very precise terms for the work they do and the deliverables the create.  And that&#039;s great.  For me a bit of ambiguity is preferable to endless semantic debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Benjamin Ho &#8211; Are we all really that ridged in our thinking that we need to agree upon terms for this stuff?  I certainly don&#8217;t think so.  I agree that we often spend way too much time haggling over this stuff, but to me the answer isn&#8217;t to come up with common terms that everyone should use (which won&#8217;t work anyway and is a waste of time.) No I look at the terms you&#8217;ve listed above and feel like that with a small amount of clarification from the person using those terms I could easily suss out the differences in them if any.</p>
<p>My general rule is I use whatever terms my clients use.  And trust me, there are many times I initially have to have them explain what they&#8217;re referring to as their terminology is often far different from my own.  I&#8217;ve very rarely had problems with this, and it&#8217;s because I simply choose not to get caught up in it.  Now, if someone doesn&#8217;t have clients, they might have the luxury of nailing down very precise terms for the work they do and the deliverables the create.  And that&#8217;s great.  For me a bit of ambiguity is preferable to endless semantic debates.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Ho</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personas, User Profiles, User Descriptions, they all do one thing - tell us something about the user from which to work upon, whether it be factual or by proxy.  While I like the idea of &quot;standardization&quot; so that there&#039;s no disparity in our terminology and definitions, this &quot;over anal-yzing&quot; can sometimes be counter-productive (and a bit annoying).  Perhaps then there must be a Usability Dictionary so that we can all agree on terminology as well as certain methods used due to certain circumstances.

What I do know is that in a certification course (i.e. HFI&#039;s) the language and terminology spoken is clarified in reading material so that there&#039;s no ambiguity.  I think that&#039;s what most of us in this profession hates the most - ambiguity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personas, User Profiles, User Descriptions, they all do one thing &#8211; tell us something about the user from which to work upon, whether it be factual or by proxy.  While I like the idea of &#8220;standardization&#8221; so that there&#8217;s no disparity in our terminology and definitions, this &#8220;over anal-yzing&#8221; can sometimes be counter-productive (and a bit annoying).  Perhaps then there must be a Usability Dictionary so that we can all agree on terminology as well as certain methods used due to certain circumstances.</p>
<p>What I do know is that in a certification course (i.e. HFI&#8217;s) the language and terminology spoken is clarified in reading material so that there&#8217;s no ambiguity.  I think that&#8217;s what most of us in this profession hates the most &#8211; ambiguity.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never heard of &quot;user descriptions&quot; before. Therefore this seems like nothing more than a semantic debate.  Albeit one that brings up some interesting thoughts about personas in general.  

 I think I agree with David Malouf up there.

To me &quot;user descriptions&quot; just sounds like personas that aren&#039;t using actual data.  Which, in my opinion anyway, might be a waste of time.  I see personas as a very tricky deliverable, even if they are chock full of great data and observations about users.  They&#039;re fuzzy at best, providing little value beyond documenting data found in research, which often is ignored by designers and developers. And often for good reason as what is contained in a persona doesn&#039;t always translate well to design decisions, let alone anything a developer can use. 

They&#039;re also tricky to craft, especially if your crafting them for someone else.  It seems like we end up spending as much time haggling over the fiction as we do doing the research. Clearly not a good use of time or money.  I&#039;m not saying they don&#039;t have good use - only that you have to be careful lest you put more effort into them than their worth.

Their best use, in my opinion, is that they give you an excuse to go out and spend time with users.  That experience you gain from observing is much more valuable than any persona (or any other research document) I&#039;ve ever used or created.  As well, they give a frame of reference for speaking with your stakeholders about users, always a good thing.

Still, our clients do ask for them. We always argue that they&#039;re only valuable if based on research and we always call them &quot;personas.&quot;  Seems to be working just fine.  I, for one, would just as soon avoid the semantic debate.  And expressly or that reason I&#039;m *not* showing Nick (Finck) this post. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of &#8220;user descriptions&#8221; before. Therefore this seems like nothing more than a semantic debate.  Albeit one that brings up some interesting thoughts about personas in general.  </p>
<p> I think I agree with David Malouf up there.</p>
<p>To me &#8220;user descriptions&#8221; just sounds like personas that aren&#8217;t using actual data.  Which, in my opinion anyway, might be a waste of time.  I see personas as a very tricky deliverable, even if they are chock full of great data and observations about users.  They&#8217;re fuzzy at best, providing little value beyond documenting data found in research, which often is ignored by designers and developers. And often for good reason as what is contained in a persona doesn&#8217;t always translate well to design decisions, let alone anything a developer can use. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re also tricky to craft, especially if your crafting them for someone else.  It seems like we end up spending as much time haggling over the fiction as we do doing the research. Clearly not a good use of time or money.  I&#8217;m not saying they don&#8217;t have good use &#8211; only that you have to be careful lest you put more effort into them than their worth.</p>
<p>Their best use, in my opinion, is that they give you an excuse to go out and spend time with users.  That experience you gain from observing is much more valuable than any persona (or any other research document) I&#8217;ve ever used or created.  As well, they give a frame of reference for speaking with your stakeholders about users, always a good thing.</p>
<p>Still, our clients do ask for them. We always argue that they&#8217;re only valuable if based on research and we always call them &#8220;personas.&#8221;  Seems to be working just fine.  I, for one, would just as soon avoid the semantic debate.  And expressly or that reason I&#8217;m *not* showing Nick (Finck) this post. <img src='http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Geerts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Geerts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this what Pruitt and Adlin call &quot;Assumption Personas&quot;? A Google search on &quot;assumption personas&quot; returns 54 hits, so at least that part is already covered. Although they should be used with care, they make the assumptions of everyone in the team explicit. The book by Pruitt and Adlin (The Persona Lifecycle) is a very good primer on how to use personas in practice, and covers a lot that is being discussed here and elsewhere recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this what Pruitt and Adlin call &#8220;Assumption Personas&#8221;? A Google search on &#8220;assumption personas&#8221; returns 54 hits, so at least that part is already covered. Although they should be used with care, they make the assumptions of everyone in the team explicit. The book by Pruitt and Adlin (The Persona Lifecycle) is a very good primer on how to use personas in practice, and covers a lot that is being discussed here and elsewhere recently.</p>
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		<title>By: David Geerts</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Geerts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this what Pruitt and Adlin call &quot;Assumption Personas&quot;? A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=%22assumption+personas%22&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google search on &quot;assumption personas&quot;&lt;/a&gt; returns 54 hits, so at least that part is already covered. Although they should be used with care, they make the assumptions of everyone in the team explicit. The book by Pruitt and Adlin (The Persona Lifecycle) is a very good primer on how to use personas in practice, and covers a lot that is being discussed here and elsewhere recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this what Pruitt and Adlin call &#8220;Assumption Personas&#8221;? A <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22assumption+personas%22&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Google search on &#8220;assumption personas&#8221;</a> returns 54 hits, so at least that part is already covered. Although they should be used with care, they make the assumptions of everyone in the team explicit. The book by Pruitt and Adlin (The Persona Lifecycle) is a very good primer on how to use personas in practice, and covers a lot that is being discussed here and elsewhere recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Fahey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Fahey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Derek: I like &quot;descriptive personas&quot;. But as per &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2007/11/14/crappy-personas-vs-robust-personas/#comment-94445&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my last comment&lt;/a&gt; on the last post, I don&#039;t think that &quot;descriptive personas&quot; are necessarily devoid of research. Plenty of research can and should inform the creation of &quot;descriptive personas&quot;. It&#039;s just that the research may not have been done explicitly for the purpose of generating personas. The research may take the form of reading existing documents and records and collecting knowledge from the brains of very smart people in the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Derek: I like &#8220;descriptive personas&#8221;. But as per <a href="http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2007/11/14/crappy-personas-vs-robust-personas/#comment-94445" rel="nofollow">my last comment</a> on the last post, I don&#8217;t think that &#8220;descriptive personas&#8221; are necessarily devoid of research. Plenty of research can and should inform the creation of &#8220;descriptive personas&#8221;. It&#8217;s just that the research may not have been done explicitly for the purpose of generating personas. The research may take the form of reading existing documents and records and collecting knowledge from the brains of very smart people in the organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Featherstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Featherstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interesting series of posts in a short time. I agree with what you&#039;re saying, Jared, but wonder if calling a &quot;user description&quot; by that name reduces their value as we work with clients? Would it be better to simply distinguish user descriptions from personas by qualifying them a bit? &quot;Research-based personas&quot; vs &quot;Descriptive Personas&quot; maybe?

I only bring this up because we have clients that already speak the language of &quot;personas&quot; (be they crappy or not). After reading several posts this morning, I suspect they are descriptive personas and not  research-based. It would be much easier for me to talk with them in their existing language, knowing that they already call what they have personas, and to extend that to make the distinction between research-based and descriptive ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting series of posts in a short time. I agree with what you&#8217;re saying, Jared, but wonder if calling a &#8220;user description&#8221; by that name reduces their value as we work with clients? Would it be better to simply distinguish user descriptions from personas by qualifying them a bit? &#8220;Research-based personas&#8221; vs &#8220;Descriptive Personas&#8221; maybe?</p>
<p>I only bring this up because we have clients that already speak the language of &#8220;personas&#8221; (be they crappy or not). After reading several posts this morning, I suspect they are descriptive personas and not  research-based. It would be much easier for me to talk with them in their existing language, knowing that they already call what they have personas, and to extend that to make the distinction between research-based and descriptive ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Fahey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Fahey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never heard of &quot;user descriptions&quot; before, and I&#039;m not the only one.  This very post, which is only a few hours old, is the #1 hit on Google for the phrase &quot;user descriptions&quot;. So clearly it&#039;s not quite an industry standard term! You can hardly call me &quot;confused&quot; over a term which, for all intents and purposes, you just today introduced to the world. :-)

I&#039;ll admit, I spent some time last night trying to come up with a new and unique name for the kind of &quot;knowledge-transference&quot; personas I wrote about versus the kind of research-based &quot;robust personas&quot; you were describing. Don Norman already uses the term &quot;ad hoc personas&quot;, but to me that has a perjorative sense to it. It needs something more accurate, sure, but something that shows it to be a cousin of &quot;robust personas&quot;. Then you beat me to the punch with &quot;user descriptions.&quot;

I&#039;m not crazy about &quot;user descriptions&quot; though, if only because it sounds like a way of dumbing-down the Latin-tinged &quot;personas&quot; (like calling croissants &quot;crescent rolls&quot;). Why do you get to use the term &quot;personas&quot; while I have to think of some new term to talk about my approach? It&#039;s not like personas have always been of the &quot;robust&quot; variety -- as you yourself have said,  the &quot;robust&quot; kind is far and away the &lt;i&gt;exception&lt;/i&gt; to how personas are actually practiced in the wild.  

But hey, I don&#039;t want to get in a dispute over terminology. I think we both fundamentally agree that we need to call these two animals by different names, and the profession needs to stop arguing that &quot;my way is right&quot; when there is room for many different approaches. I&#039;ve never been an advocate for standardization of any professional  design practice, but I agree that it would help to remove this particular ambiguity from our domain.

And thanks for calling me &quot;intriguing&quot;! :-) Needless to say, right back atcha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of &#8220;user descriptions&#8221; before, and I&#8217;m not the only one.  This very post, which is only a few hours old, is the #1 hit on Google for the phrase &#8220;user descriptions&#8221;. So clearly it&#8217;s not quite an industry standard term! You can hardly call me &#8220;confused&#8221; over a term which, for all intents and purposes, you just today introduced to the world. <img src='http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit, I spent some time last night trying to come up with a new and unique name for the kind of &#8220;knowledge-transference&#8221; personas I wrote about versus the kind of research-based &#8220;robust personas&#8221; you were describing. Don Norman already uses the term &#8220;ad hoc personas&#8221;, but to me that has a perjorative sense to it. It needs something more accurate, sure, but something that shows it to be a cousin of &#8220;robust personas&#8221;. Then you beat me to the punch with &#8220;user descriptions.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not crazy about &#8220;user descriptions&#8221; though, if only because it sounds like a way of dumbing-down the Latin-tinged &#8220;personas&#8221; (like calling croissants &#8220;crescent rolls&#8221;). Why do you get to use the term &#8220;personas&#8221; while I have to think of some new term to talk about my approach? It&#8217;s not like personas have always been of the &#8220;robust&#8221; variety &#8212; as you yourself have said,  the &#8220;robust&#8221; kind is far and away the <i>exception</i> to how personas are actually practiced in the wild.  </p>
<p>But hey, I don&#8217;t want to get in a dispute over terminology. I think we both fundamentally agree that we need to call these two animals by different names, and the profession needs to stop arguing that &#8220;my way is right&#8221; when there is room for many different approaches. I&#8217;ve never been an advocate for standardization of any professional  design practice, but I agree that it would help to remove this particular ambiguity from our domain.</p>
<p>And thanks for calling me &#8220;intriguing&#8221;! <img src='http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Needless to say, right back atcha.</p>
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		<title>By: David Malouf</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Malouf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what many people forget about personae is that they are a modeling tool. Their primary purpose is to model research data in an approachable manner. Being a data model, they are meaningless unless based on research. 

The &quot;feel good&quot; consensus building stuff that people look to as the &quot;excuse&quot; for doing personae to me is a distraction of the real valuable message of personae as a tool that has its greatest value in moving a designer from research to actual design based on that research. In this way the designer is always held accountable to the research and must defend decisions that counter the models of that research.

If all they were, were a feel good story, i could see why people wouldn&#039;t want to use them, or worse, they want to use them, bu they don&#039;t really hold true value to the design process; thus, backfiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what many people forget about personae is that they are a modeling tool. Their primary purpose is to model research data in an approachable manner. Being a data model, they are meaningless unless based on research. </p>
<p>The &#8220;feel good&#8221; consensus building stuff that people look to as the &#8220;excuse&#8221; for doing personae to me is a distraction of the real valuable message of personae as a tool that has its greatest value in moving a designer from research to actual design based on that research. In this way the designer is always held accountable to the research and must defend decisions that counter the models of that research.</p>
<p>If all they were, were a feel good story, i could see why people wouldn&#8217;t want to use them, or worse, they want to use them, bu they don&#8217;t really hold true value to the design process; thus, backfiring.</p>
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