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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Comment 2 - Garry Says: January 14th, 2008 at 1:47 pm  
Garry&#039;s link in Comment #2 -- http://www.goodsecurityquestions.com/examples.htm -- is now &quot;Not Found&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Comment 2 &#8211; Garry Says: January 14th, 2008 at 1:47 pm<br />
Garry&#8217;s link in Comment #2 &#8212; <a href="http://www.goodsecurityquestions.com/examples.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.goodsecurityquestions.com/examples.htm</a> &#8212; is now &#8220;Not Found&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Did I Get #13 Wrong? - Do All Sites Need Similar Security? &#187; UIE Brain Sparks</title>
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		<title>By: Premasagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Premasagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice set of observations here, Jared.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openid&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OpenId&lt;/a&gt; login is becoming more common these days and will probably become fairly ubiquitous soon. It is a new kind of login where you only need to have a username and password on one website on the Web, which you use to log in to other sites. The use of OpenID bypasses a number of the issues that you raise.

However, a number of user experience issues have started to crop up with OpenID&#039;s implementation into sites. For example, on &lt;a href=&quot;http://premasagar.onaswarm.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Onaswarm&lt;/a&gt; (a lifestream social network), the OpenID login looks like it requires a password (but there is no need for a password with OpenID) and does not function unless the &#039;http://&#039; part of the url is included (yet does not mention that it requires it). Still, we live and learn...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice set of observations here, Jared.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openid" rel="nofollow">OpenId</a> login is becoming more common these days and will probably become fairly ubiquitous soon. It is a new kind of login where you only need to have a username and password on one website on the Web, which you use to log in to other sites. The use of OpenID bypasses a number of the issues that you raise.</p>
<p>However, a number of user experience issues have started to crop up with OpenID&#8217;s implementation into sites. For example, on <a href="http://premasagar.onaswarm.com" rel="nofollow">Onaswarm</a> (a lifestream social network), the OpenID login looks like it requires a password (but there is no need for a password with OpenID) and does not function unless the &#8216;http://&#8217; part of the url is included (yet does not mention that it requires it). Still, we live and learn&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Nudelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Nudelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article, Jared!  Gold standard in sign in Partner Experience, as only UIE can put it.  This list was tremendously helpful in our recent eBay.com registration redesign.
Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Jared!  Gold standard in sign in Partner Experience, as only UIE can put it.  This list was tremendously helpful in our recent eBay.com registration redesign.<br />
Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Indu RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indu RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared, 

Excellent article on User Sign-in. This study provides quite a lot of information for UX and Usability engineers to set goals and standards. I agree in except for the #13.

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared, </p>
<p>Excellent article on User Sign-in. This study provides quite a lot of information for UX and Usability engineers to set goals and standards. I agree in except for the #13.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Halleran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Halleran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared, 

This is great information to think about before designing a sign in. I think of only part of my problem as not thinking through the design to better address these kinds of issues up front. The bigger part is not finding a way to let my users tell me when I am making mistakes. How do we make it easy for any user of our websites to quickly and easily give us feedback on their experience? I would think a quick rating sytem (select 1 through 9) would give only a crude measurement of effectiveness and user satisfaction with my website. Alternatively, asking them to type a long explanation that would provide specific information does not seem to be very user friendly either.

Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared, </p>
<p>This is great information to think about before designing a sign in. I think of only part of my problem as not thinking through the design to better address these kinds of issues up front. The bigger part is not finding a way to let my users tell me when I am making mistakes. How do we make it easy for any user of our websites to quickly and easily give us feedback on their experience? I would think a quick rating sytem (select 1 through 9) would give only a crude measurement of effectiveness and user satisfaction with my website. Alternatively, asking them to type a long explanation that would provide specific information does not seem to be very user friendly either.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Cris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article(s), Jared. A friend of mine sent me the links today.  I think most of these problems spring from developers coding for their own convenience rather than the user&#039;s. 

I do have to take issue with your assertion on Mistake #12: &quot;Coding the return point from the registration process is technically very difficult.&quot;  It&#039;s not difficult at all. That information can be stored several ways (e.g. on the url, in a cookie, in a server-side session) so it&#039;s available at the end of the registration process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article(s), Jared. A friend of mine sent me the links today.  I think most of these problems spring from developers coding for their own convenience rather than the user&#8217;s. </p>
<p>I do have to take issue with your assertion on Mistake #12: &#8220;Coding the return point from the registration process is technically very difficult.&#8221;  It&#8217;s not difficult at all. That information can be stored several ways (e.g. on the url, in a cookie, in a server-side session) so it&#8217;s available at the end of the registration process.</p>
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		<title>By: Garry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jared, 
Thanks for you great newsletter and excellent experience. Much appreciated. 

I also disagree with #13 - Not Explaining If It’s The Username or Password They Got Wrong. As a user, when I fail a sign-in, I wish I knew what was wrong, but as a developer I know it would significantly reduce the security if we told the user what was wrong: the username or password. The solution is to provide a way for the user to retrieve both the username and password through a smart and secure method. I don&#039;t think it should be configurable by the user since they often don&#039;t understand the consequences.

Regarding #11 - Using Challenge Questions They Won&#039;t Remember In A Year, I agree and would suggest this goes further than remembering in one year. Security questions actually present a hole or weakness in a sign-in and in reality should be called &quot;in-security&quot; questions. However, the risk is low if developed correctly and developers use &quot;good&quot; questions. After being frustrated on numerous websites with &quot;favorite&quot; questions (which are poor questions), I decided to offer a list of questions that developers can use along with my opinions about which are better than others: http://www.goodsecurityquestions.com/examples.htm

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jared,<br />
Thanks for you great newsletter and excellent experience. Much appreciated. </p>
<p>I also disagree with #13 &#8211; Not Explaining If It’s The Username or Password They Got Wrong. As a user, when I fail a sign-in, I wish I knew what was wrong, but as a developer I know it would significantly reduce the security if we told the user what was wrong: the username or password. The solution is to provide a way for the user to retrieve both the username and password through a smart and secure method. I don&#8217;t think it should be configurable by the user since they often don&#8217;t understand the consequences.</p>
<p>Regarding #11 &#8211; Using Challenge Questions They Won&#8217;t Remember In A Year, I agree and would suggest this goes further than remembering in one year. Security questions actually present a hole or weakness in a sign-in and in reality should be called &#8220;in-security&#8221; questions. However, the risk is low if developed correctly and developers use &#8220;good&#8221; questions. After being frustrated on numerous websites with &#8220;favorite&#8221; questions (which are poor questions), I decided to offer a list of questions that developers can use along with my opinions about which are better than others: <a href="http://www.goodsecurityquestions.com/examples.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.goodsecurityquestions.com/examples.htm</a></p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: leovernazza</title>
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		<dc:creator>leovernazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jared, I have to disagree with you in the #13...

This is just another case of security -vs- UX trade off, but in this case I agree with this kind of solution. 

Accurate error messages are great for everyone trying to enter the account, and it&#039;s not just you, it could be i.e. a hacker. If the system explicits that the username is VALID, thay can just fix it and try passwords until violate your account. Besides, sometimes the username is an email address, and that&#039;s ALL a spammer need to know about you. If the system helps them to discover the customer&#039;s email, it will produce a huge user experience detriment via spam... 

It would be great to have the best of all worlds, but in this case, I think the trade off is completely necessary and the examples you presentes are a good solution.

Ok, maybe it should be configurable by the user. After all, he should be the one to decide about what is worst for him... What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jared, I have to disagree with you in the #13&#8230;</p>
<p>This is just another case of security -vs- UX trade off, but in this case I agree with this kind of solution. </p>
<p>Accurate error messages are great for everyone trying to enter the account, and it&#8217;s not just you, it could be i.e. a hacker. If the system explicits that the username is VALID, thay can just fix it and try passwords until violate your account. Besides, sometimes the username is an email address, and that&#8217;s ALL a spammer need to know about you. If the system helps them to discover the customer&#8217;s email, it will produce a huge user experience detriment via spam&#8230; </p>
<p>It would be great to have the best of all worlds, but in this case, I think the trade off is completely necessary and the examples you presentes are a good solution.</p>
<p>Ok, maybe it should be configurable by the user. After all, he should be the one to decide about what is worst for him&#8230; What do you think?</p>
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