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		<title>By: Recursus Intra-Subjectivity: Redux &#124; Semantic Foundry, LLC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recursus Intra-Subjectivity: Redux &#124; Semantic Foundry, LLC</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>Vegetarian Recipes: Stuffed Sweet Rolls &#124; Best Cooking Recipes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-02-05 : Eggplantia5</title>
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		<title>By: Jared Spool</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared Spool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 05:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BenKimmel:

It would be hard to do the study you suggested in any easy terms, because as the Wichita study showed, only a small percentage (about 6%) chose to use breadcrumbs. So, to create the study, you&#039;d have to create two sites, test in two groups (each site going first), and have enough of a sample size so that of the 6% who choose to use breadcrumbs, you could observe if they worked better. (Back of the envelope math says you&#039;d need to test about 120 participants.)

So, no. Nobody has done that study.

If you&#039;re looking to fund such a study, we&#039;d love to help you spend that money... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BenKimmel:</p>
<p>It would be hard to do the study you suggested in any easy terms, because as the Wichita study showed, only a small percentage (about 6%) chose to use breadcrumbs. So, to create the study, you&#8217;d have to create two sites, test in two groups (each site going first), and have enough of a sample size so that of the 6% who choose to use breadcrumbs, you could observe if they worked better. (Back of the envelope math says you&#8217;d need to test about 120 participants.)</p>
<p>So, no. Nobody has done that study.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking to fund such a study, we&#8217;d love to help you spend that money&#8230; <img src='http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BenKimmel</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-145506</link>
		<dc:creator>BenKimmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent discussion -
Has there been any follow up to the Witicha study that seemed to determine that, when given a site with bread crumbs and an exact replica of that site, without bread crumbs, users offered bread crumbs actually used more clicks to get to an intended page, than those with no available bread crumbs?  

It seems that just because people use breadcrumbs (and they don&#039;t very much) it doesn&#039;t actually improve their navigating experience.

http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/52/breadcrumb.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent discussion -<br />
Has there been any follow up to the Witicha study that seemed to determine that, when given a site with bread crumbs and an exact replica of that site, without bread crumbs, users offered bread crumbs actually used more clicks to get to an intended page, than those with no available bread crumbs?  </p>
<p>It seems that just because people use breadcrumbs (and they don&#8217;t very much) it doesn&#8217;t actually improve their navigating experience.</p>
<p><a href="http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/52/breadcrumb.htm" rel="nofollow">http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/52/breadcrumb.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jared Spool</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-145439</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Spool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 05:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bradley,

The question is in fact whether the continuation path offered by breadcrumbs is clear or if there is a more clear way to give them same path?

In most cases, you can do a better job by deliberately designing the paths than by leaving it up to an automatically created breadcrumb system that may or may not be clear to the user. 

In either case the SEO outcome is the same. (Actually, by creating better text to describe what that path is, the SEO outcome is slightly better.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bradley,</p>
<p>The question is in fact whether the continuation path offered by breadcrumbs is clear or if there is a more clear way to give them same path?</p>
<p>In most cases, you can do a better job by deliberately designing the paths than by leaving it up to an automatically created breadcrumb system that may or may not be clear to the user. </p>
<p>In either case the SEO outcome is the same. (Actually, by creating better text to describe what that path is, the SEO outcome is slightly better.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some food for thought: given the popularity of SEO and web-development aimed at increasing page views through organic findability (via Google or similar), do breadcrumbs not assist the site in retaining users by giving them a clear continuation path? Don&#039;t forget most of your users will be landing directly on pages now, rather than navigating to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some food for thought: given the popularity of SEO and web-development aimed at increasing page views through organic findability (via Google or similar), do breadcrumbs not assist the site in retaining users by giving them a clear continuation path? Don&#8217;t forget most of your users will be landing directly on pages now, rather than navigating to them.</p>
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		<title>By: A Meta-Discourse on [SemanticWill's] Soft Machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Meta-Discourse on [SemanticWill's] Soft Machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] background. I may break a cycle automatically by using relative or conditional links, or may use breadcrumbs to guide the user to depart along a new trajectory. Relying on breadcrumbs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Zuschlag</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-145021</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Zuschlag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange. I didn&#039;t open my browser thinking, &quot;I need to find out the latest thoughts on breadcrumbs,&quot; and yet I ended up here. But then again, I didn&#039;t end up here via breadcrumbs either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange. I didn&#8217;t open my browser thinking, &#8220;I need to find out the latest thoughts on breadcrumbs,&#8221; and yet I ended up here. But then again, I didn&#8217;t end up here via breadcrumbs either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Spool</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-144943</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Spool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 17:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ignas,

Thanks! You said in 234 words what I was trying to say in 3000 words. :)</description>
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<p>Thanks! You said in 234 words what I was trying to say in 3000 words. <img src='http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Szuc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Szuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 13:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rarely seen people use breadcrumbs to help them achieve their goals. Often the breadcrumbs on the sites we have evaluated have been put together by a CMS with a content structure that does not meet the needs of people in the first place. Would also suggest that if breadcrumbs are too long it can represent a deeper structure in a site that may not be needed in the first place i.e. the need for a revamped content strategy.

When people get lost they either go back Home to start again (to feel comfortable again), review the options in the primary navigation, hit the back button or leave the site completely to use Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rarely seen people use breadcrumbs to help them achieve their goals. Often the breadcrumbs on the sites we have evaluated have been put together by a CMS with a content structure that does not meet the needs of people in the first place. Would also suggest that if breadcrumbs are too long it can represent a deeper structure in a site that may not be needed in the first place i.e. the need for a revamped content strategy.</p>
<p>When people get lost they either go back Home to start again (to feel comfortable again), review the options in the primary navigation, hit the back button or leave the site completely to use Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Ignas</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-144860</link>
		<dc:creator>Ignas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all for Breadcrumbs are a cop out worldview. Since I have removed breadcrumbs from the web application I am developing, we have found out in how many cases we had not thought about navigation, and about real ways of coming &quot;back&quot; to the place that you came from. We (developers) would just use breadcrumbs for navigation, like &quot;add an item, click breadcrumb, add an item&quot; or even worse &quot;go to a list of items, click on an item, click edit to go to edit form, and use breadcrumb to go back&quot;, and while reaching all the content in the application was technically &quot;possible&quot;, users just could not find it. And without breadcrumbs we have noticed loads of &quot;dead ends&quot; (pages that only had 1 way to navigate out of them before - breadcrumbs).

I think that every page should have links that users will actually want to follow, and that should be determined by someone thinking about the purpose of the page user is on, and not by automatically cramming all the stuff that is &quot;up the stack&quot;.

If you would think about every and each link in the breadcrumbs, and think &quot;how likely is it that the user will want to go there from this page?&quot; I think most of the breadcrumbs would not pass the test and those links that would pass - probably have a better more prominent place to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all for Breadcrumbs are a cop out worldview. Since I have removed breadcrumbs from the web application I am developing, we have found out in how many cases we had not thought about navigation, and about real ways of coming &#8220;back&#8221; to the place that you came from. We (developers) would just use breadcrumbs for navigation, like &#8220;add an item, click breadcrumb, add an item&#8221; or even worse &#8220;go to a list of items, click on an item, click edit to go to edit form, and use breadcrumb to go back&#8221;, and while reaching all the content in the application was technically &#8220;possible&#8221;, users just could not find it. And without breadcrumbs we have noticed loads of &#8220;dead ends&#8221; (pages that only had 1 way to navigate out of them before &#8211; breadcrumbs).</p>
<p>I think that every page should have links that users will actually want to follow, and that should be determined by someone thinking about the purpose of the page user is on, and not by automatically cramming all the stuff that is &#8220;up the stack&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you would think about every and each link in the breadcrumbs, and think &#8220;how likely is it that the user will want to go there from this page?&#8221; I think most of the breadcrumbs would not pass the test and those links that would pass &#8211; probably have a better more prominent place to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Spool</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-144777</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Spool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Craig: I think that if none of your users used the breadcrumbs, that may indicate that your site&#039;s navigation is such that people aren&#039;t needing it. I&#039;d take that as a good sign.

@Eric: I think the wowhead site has a really interesting approach to breadcrumbs. While they provide location information, they also provide the menu structure in detail. It would be interesting to see what would happen if you applied this to, say, JC Penney&#039;s product hierarchy? Would it still work out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Craig: I think that if none of your users used the breadcrumbs, that may indicate that your site&#8217;s navigation is such that people aren&#8217;t needing it. I&#8217;d take that as a good sign.</p>
<p>@Eric: I think the wowhead site has a really interesting approach to breadcrumbs. While they provide location information, they also provide the menu structure in detail. It would be interesting to see what would happen if you applied this to, say, JC Penney&#8217;s product hierarchy? Would it still work out?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Scheid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Scheid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Alas, that isn’t the case. Breadcrumbs stand by themselves as solo links. The categories are usually created to be shown as a collection. A category may have a clear meaning when shown alongside its siblings, but is often baffling when shown alone.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

One site I use a lot has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10581&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;category breadcrumb system&lt;/a&gt;, but they get around this problem by having each of the crumbs being a drop-down menu of siblings, with the current crumb indicated with a tick-mark. This is on a site which extensively rewards mouse-over actions for surfacing linked information so it seems quite natural.

I&#039;ve also seen drop-downs on the crumbs implemented in a slightly different way - each crumb acting as a header for it&#039;s category, with the drop down listing all child-links. They always confused me. The difference between the two models is subtle, but profound.

That said, I think the wowhead site is a lucky exception. Firstly, mouse-overs are extensively rewarded and so users are trained in mouse-hovering, and secondly they didn&#039;t have much of a synonym problem in the first place (it&#039;s a specialist community, and the language terms are already pre-set by the subject publisher).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Alas, that isn’t the case. Breadcrumbs stand by themselves as solo links. The categories are usually created to be shown as a collection. A category may have a clear meaning when shown alongside its siblings, but is often baffling when shown alone.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>One site I use a lot has a <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10581" rel="nofollow">category breadcrumb system</a>, but they get around this problem by having each of the crumbs being a drop-down menu of siblings, with the current crumb indicated with a tick-mark. This is on a site which extensively rewards mouse-over actions for surfacing linked information so it seems quite natural.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen drop-downs on the crumbs implemented in a slightly different way &#8211; each crumb acting as a header for it&#8217;s category, with the drop down listing all child-links. They always confused me. The difference between the two models is subtle, but profound.</p>
<p>That said, I think the wowhead site is a lucky exception. Firstly, mouse-overs are extensively rewarded and so users are trained in mouse-hovering, and secondly they didn&#8217;t have much of a synonym problem in the first place (it&#8217;s a specialist community, and the language terms are already pre-set by the subject publisher).</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-144709</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for another thought-provoking article!  I tend to agree with the cop-out point of view.  But I would also note that in my usability testing of sites with breadcrumb navigation, NONE of the test participants actually used it for their primary navigation.  In only a few very rare times, some participants used the breadcrumb navigation to go back up the navigation structure to try to re-orient themselves after becoming lost deep down in the site.  But those instances were extremely rare, and none actually used it for primary navigation.

I would agree that if you&#039;re main navigation and information architecture are doing their job, this type of secondary navigation system is irrelevant for humans. 

Happy new year to you and all your readers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for another thought-provoking article!  I tend to agree with the cop-out point of view.  But I would also note that in my usability testing of sites with breadcrumb navigation, NONE of the test participants actually used it for their primary navigation.  In only a few very rare times, some participants used the breadcrumb navigation to go back up the navigation structure to try to re-orient themselves after becoming lost deep down in the site.  But those instances were extremely rare, and none actually used it for primary navigation.</p>
<p>I would agree that if you&#8217;re main navigation and information architecture are doing their job, this type of secondary navigation system is irrelevant for humans. </p>
<p>Happy new year to you and all your readers!</p>
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		<title>By: More on Breadcrumbs as a Design Cop-Out » UIE Brain Sparks</title>
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		<dc:creator>More on Breadcrumbs as a Design Cop-Out » UIE Brain Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Fienen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Fienen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really love how you break this down actually, and enjoyed reading the counter-counterpoint.  I know we differ in opinion somewhat philosophically on the matter, but I&#039;d be interested in talking to you about this some more some time backchannel if you ever get the chance, and discuss how things like this should influence the ultimate design of sites.  I&#039;m curious how our ideas compare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really love how you break this down actually, and enjoyed reading the counter-counterpoint.  I know we differ in opinion somewhat philosophically on the matter, but I&#8217;d be interested in talking to you about this some more some time backchannel if you ever get the chance, and discuss how things like this should influence the ultimate design of sites.  I&#8217;m curious how our ideas compare.</p>
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		<dc:creator>BlobFisk.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bookmarks from December 27th to December 30th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More on Breadcrumbs as a Design Cop-Out &#187; UIE Brain Sparks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Firestone</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-144638</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Firestone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jared&#039;s definitely given me something to think about. I don&#039;t take offense to Jared saying breadcrumbs are a cop-out. I think they&#039;re definitely a reflection of &quot;yet another tool&quot; we&#039;ve placed on the page as Information Architects to &quot;spread the wealth of information around&quot; and see who picks up a dollar when they need one. Sometimes they are of value and we are expecting a user to make proper use of them in situations where a cryptic acronym, an occluded, or imperfect meaning just won&#039;t suffice to get a person to understand what they&#039;re looking at.

A few factors need to be observed here:

* The time you have available to you as an IA in the business of building (or re-building) a Web site is rarely enough to get the job done perfectly.  Your goal is likely to get it (taxonomy/vocabulary/meaning) as close to &quot;right&quot; as possible in the allotted time, especially if a deadline is involved, and often only limited testing is permitted.
* You are involved in a process of Information Evolution. The human mind is unique to each of us and imperfect. Different things have shaped our understanding of the information at hand. That does not mean you don&#039;t try hard to make it all fit for everyone involved. In the end you have what the best in the business have always said is a work in progress. The content and presentation always evolves in a living site. It&#039;s not always perfect or static as we evolve our understanding. It probably never will be. Welcome to the uncertainty principle, language and the human mind.  It does get better with time, effort, revision and investment.
* You also have cultural and business-related structural factors to consider. For example: I have little effect over a company using an acronym or cryptic but unique product name to describe the product they&#039;re trying to sell -- which despite testing, scores high enough that if you&#039;re new to X product you might not know what it means yet, but you will with a little reading and comprehension. Once you know the product&#039;s name, it sticks with the user and makes a good case for being a part of the navigation of the site in question. So I have to account for that in my IA buildout.

Jared&#039;s definitely right - it&#039;s a cop-out. But I find breadcrumbs are often necessary because any help at all we give to the users of a site to improve &quot;findability&quot; is usually a good thing. Those breadcrumbs can often add helpful context, even at an unconscious level.

Jon&#039;s Kolko&#039;s also correct. Definitely you&#039;ll have entropy, time wasting, emotional drive and the need for connection building to cope with. Our users are often not really goal oriented -- or I&#039;d even take it a step further and say that because of the often-scattered human mind, we sometimes lose our purpose for arrival when we scan a site, because other things (like the graphic design or the way the info is laid out or that sneaky well-written, seductive story title in the lower right hand corner) have become more interesting to us. Or the IA was as it sometimes is, imperfect and fraught with human, cultural and structural intervention.

Great article Jared. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jared&#8217;s definitely given me something to think about. I don&#8217;t take offense to Jared saying breadcrumbs are a cop-out. I think they&#8217;re definitely a reflection of &#8220;yet another tool&#8221; we&#8217;ve placed on the page as Information Architects to &#8220;spread the wealth of information around&#8221; and see who picks up a dollar when they need one. Sometimes they are of value and we are expecting a user to make proper use of them in situations where a cryptic acronym, an occluded, or imperfect meaning just won&#8217;t suffice to get a person to understand what they&#8217;re looking at.</p>
<p>A few factors need to be observed here:</p>
<p>* The time you have available to you as an IA in the business of building (or re-building) a Web site is rarely enough to get the job done perfectly.  Your goal is likely to get it (taxonomy/vocabulary/meaning) as close to &#8220;right&#8221; as possible in the allotted time, especially if a deadline is involved, and often only limited testing is permitted.<br />
* You are involved in a process of Information Evolution. The human mind is unique to each of us and imperfect. Different things have shaped our understanding of the information at hand. That does not mean you don&#8217;t try hard to make it all fit for everyone involved. In the end you have what the best in the business have always said is a work in progress. The content and presentation always evolves in a living site. It&#8217;s not always perfect or static as we evolve our understanding. It probably never will be. Welcome to the uncertainty principle, language and the human mind.  It does get better with time, effort, revision and investment.<br />
* You also have cultural and business-related structural factors to consider. For example: I have little effect over a company using an acronym or cryptic but unique product name to describe the product they&#8217;re trying to sell &#8212; which despite testing, scores high enough that if you&#8217;re new to X product you might not know what it means yet, but you will with a little reading and comprehension. Once you know the product&#8217;s name, it sticks with the user and makes a good case for being a part of the navigation of the site in question. So I have to account for that in my IA buildout.</p>
<p>Jared&#8217;s definitely right &#8211; it&#8217;s a cop-out. But I find breadcrumbs are often necessary because any help at all we give to the users of a site to improve &#8220;findability&#8221; is usually a good thing. Those breadcrumbs can often add helpful context, even at an unconscious level.</p>
<p>Jon&#8217;s Kolko&#8217;s also correct. Definitely you&#8217;ll have entropy, time wasting, emotional drive and the need for connection building to cope with. Our users are often not really goal oriented &#8212; or I&#8217;d even take it a step further and say that because of the often-scattered human mind, we sometimes lose our purpose for arrival when we scan a site, because other things (like the graphic design or the way the info is laid out or that sneaky well-written, seductive story title in the lower right hand corner) have become more interesting to us. Or the IA was as it sometimes is, imperfect and fraught with human, cultural and structural intervention.</p>
<p>Great article Jared. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Kolko</title>
		<link>http://www.uie.com/brainsparks/2008/12/30/more-on-breadcrumbs-as-a-design-cop-out/comment-page-1/#comment-144636</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Kolko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Since our early studies on the web, more than 12 years ago, we noticed that users are always on specific missions when they come to sites. With only one exception, users never visit a site “just to see what it has.” (The one exception? Web designers.)&lt;/em&gt;

This might be the cause of your controversy; users commonly visit sites &quot;just to see what it has&quot; in real life, because they aren&#039;t always goal directed in real life. One needs only to observe their own father poking around on a Sunday morning, or visit the library and peek over people&#039;s shoulders, to see this type of casual and non-directionally inclined behavior.

The idea that people are always &quot;task driven&quot; ignores our need for entropy, for connection building, for time wasting, and for the emotional - watching funny videos of animals helps pass the time, but it&#039;s hard to argue that as part of your 94%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Since our early studies on the web, more than 12 years ago, we noticed that users are always on specific missions when they come to sites. With only one exception, users never visit a site “just to see what it has.” (The one exception? Web designers.)</em></p>
<p>This might be the cause of your controversy; users commonly visit sites &#8220;just to see what it has&#8221; in real life, because they aren&#8217;t always goal directed in real life. One needs only to observe their own father poking around on a Sunday morning, or visit the library and peek over people&#8217;s shoulders, to see this type of casual and non-directionally inclined behavior.</p>
<p>The idea that people are always &#8220;task driven&#8221; ignores our need for entropy, for connection building, for time wasting, and for the emotional &#8211; watching funny videos of animals helps pass the time, but it&#8217;s hard to argue that as part of your 94%.</p>
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